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Centralized vs Decentralized Internet

ETHGlobalWed, Oct 9, 2019, 12:00 AM

The team from Mysterium discuss the question of Who Owns the Internet at a workshop at ETHNewYork. ETHNewYork was a hackathon organized by ETHGlobal and a team of hackers, developers and enthusiasts interested in building and creating in the ethereum ecosystem. ETHNewYork ethereum focused hackathon took place May 8-10, 2019 at New Lab at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. For more information visit https://ethnewyork.com/ and https://ethglobal.co/

Transcript

Shall we start or not? I think people join us if they join. Let people join whenever they want. Good. So, um, hello.

Well, I'd probably like to chat more than just present. I have a few slides. I think they'll take about five minutes, and then we can just chat, chat, um, as we see fit. Um, you know, questions, everything is up for debate, so, um, yeah, the topic that I've chosen is, um, who owns the internet and, um, what, where will it lead us, um, what kind of lifestyle will it lead us to lifestyle will it lead us to ? So, I'm going to talk about three things talk about three things .

Um, um, about the internet, what's wrong with it today , how to fix it, and how this industry is fixing it. Um, that guy, that guy just, um, just talked about it for, um, half an hour. I think this is one of the fixes and Mysterium's contributions, and what's the next step we could take, and, um, how does this all connect? So the problem is, who owns the internet? Um, this guy, uh, warned us, uh, about the issue of who can own the internet.

It turns out that, uh, the Internet was originally completely peer-to-peer, completely open, uh, machines that talked to each other, without intermediaries. Uh, but with the advent of Web 2.0, you know, these things happened. Uh, big companies, uh , have created huge isolations. Uh huge isolations.

Uh , they created a system of information ownership for themselves, which, of course, gave the authorities, uh, easy fruits, uh, for working with these companies. Well, Edward, our brave hero, uh, he warned us about Project Prism. Does anyone not know about the " not know about the " Prism" project? Good. Uh, Project Prism, uh, it was uh, introduced, uh, introduced in 2013, uh, the Washington Post, I think, uh, thanks to information provided by, uh , Edward Snowden, uh, he was working for the NSA at the time.

Uh, basically, it showed that, uh, big companies Google, Facebook, Microsoft, uh, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, uh, Apple, uh, were providing real- time data, any data the NSA needed about their users. So, essentially, the NSA can use Prism to hear your ideas as you type them. Um, literally watching the video stream, uh, hearing what you're saying, uh, hearing your phone calls, and not just phone calls, Skype calls, whatever. So this is business as usual for the NSA, and it's not the NSA's bad side. It is a natural thing for large organizations like the United States, China, Russia, or any other major power to have this power.

So it's a natural step in evolution when the internet comes along, which is based on ownership of data, ownership of the internet by large corporations. So it's a natural evolution. Um natural evolution. Um , yeah, so that's the world we live in, and I think it's no surprise that this conference is dedicated to addressing that problem and creating a slightly stronger, uh, world for ourselves. So the solution is to essentially take the superpower back into our own hands.

So there are all these different mechanisms, protocols, and programs that we're hopefully going to use every minute. But they need, um, they need a base layer, um, that helps store data, transfer it, perform calculations, do all sorts of things. So, um, I just named a few, um, a few organizations that are trying to solve some of these problems. But the end goal is that we still use the same level of depth of the internet that we use today, whether it's Facebook, Skype or something else. The only difference is that all the data belongs to us.

They are encrypted, and if I want to talk to you, it's us talking, no third parties interfering in our conversation. This is where Mysterium comes in. We are what we build, we are trying to contribute to this whole movement by building a decentralized network, well, we are starting to build on top of VPN technology. Um, we're creating a protocol for a decentralized VPN and, of course, creating an initial network of nodes, because a protocol without nodes makes no sense and vice versa. Yes, we create both things at the same time.

Ultimately, it will unlock content, unlock communication, open doors where there are walls now. As you know, you can't watch many Netflix shows from Russia right now. You cannot watch soccer matches taking place in Germany from the United States. You can't do certain things in other places because it's blocked by intellectual property rights, because it's blocked by countries, because it's blocked by the Great Wall of China, and so on. So we're creating a sufficiently robust network and protocol that can penetrate these walls and open up communication for people as if they were equal citizens of this planet, not of that particular country.

Um particular country. Um , yeah, that's it, and, um, well , the third thing is that we created...we created the initial protocols...we were busy with it...it was proven to work in certain cases, and we found certain cases where it didn't work.

For example, there are certain, um, routers that are different, um, from the ones we use in our lab. Um our lab. Um , and hole punching is a technology we use to punch holes through the router, which sometimes works in these cases, sometimes does n't. So we need to debug these use cases use cases . We need to find a solution to work with different routers.

So, that's the first wall that we need to, um, figure out how to get through. Um, then we'll move on to bigger walls, I think. So, we have...um, we've built a node into a Raspberry Pi. We have built node into Mac, iOS, Windows, and Linux.

Um, yeah, and, um, we're looking at 150 nodes at the moment. I don't know how far we are from 80 something. Yes. Um, that should give us enough, um, enough variance to push the boundaries of existing technologies, tweak them, improve, you know, what we've learned, uh what we've learned, uh , for another month or so. Yes, that's what we're looking for.

Um, come and chat with us. Um, Raspberry pays for itself in about one month. Um, Raspberry costs about 40. Er, we pay about $10 ETH every week, that is, per month. And that's what was paid.

And so, we have a platform, uh, for working and discovering the world, uh discovering the world, uh , one step at a time. Yes, that's all. Uh, the problem is confusion. Who owns the Internet? I think you should own the Internet.

Uh, um, how do we do that by, you know, putting this ownership back in our hands, and it takes a lot of effort from many, many, many different organizations and people, uh, and yeah, and for us, it's simple. We are looking for the first initial nodes. So initial nodes. So , let's chat, let's meet at the table. There is a typical question that you have probably heard many times before.

Maybe how can I prevent the person running the node from accessing my traffic, by inspecting packets or putting an intermediary between my traffic and the internet? Hmm. All traffic between you and the node is encrypted. Yes, but the notes must be open to communication with the external Internet. So, it's like most services, um, at the moment.

Uh, we have several companies that cooperate. Honestly, these are VPN companies Honestly, these are VPN companies that really need residential IP addresses, and we have, um, agreements with them we have, um, agreements with them that they will only send us streaming services, um, so Netflix or something. Uh, we can check whether that's true or not. Uh, as a node, you have the option to be fully open to the entire network or only to whitelisted traffic . I realize that was supposed to be my second question.

How do I prevent this if I am a US citizen, from the US to sh? That's right, this is how we solve what you call a new edge case that has become very useful. Yes. Yes. This is a fairly narrow use of the technology, and it's up to the node developer to decide whether they want to open up to it, but it should be something that fits the product market.

Yes. That's right. Well, we are very focused on data transfer and content unblocking. Right. So we're aiming for this particular use case and building a feature set around it.

We are really focused on connecting nodes to the site and the node experience. So that's our unique selling proposition because we understand that we need to build this reliable network of nodes, and that's the infrastructure on which all the other great services that we can dream of can emerge. But right now we're in shredding mode, introducing nodes to homes on a Raspberry Pie on your laptop. So, if we laptop. So, if we ...

we think about referral programs. If you have any ideas, if you have any community input that you can offer can offer , our goal is , our goal is to run as many nodes as possible within our strategy for this specific use case use case , because unblockchain doesn't work without a sufficient and reliable network of nodes. This is when it starts to be effective when there are multiple nodes available for users to bypass these walls. Are there any questions? Did anyone think?

I have a question because I am, and when I say it, please take it the right way. I am a stupid American. I doubt it. I don't understand what's going on there. Yes.

They brainwashed me . They protected me from the world, and I want to know what's going on there. What other content? What content can't I see? What don't they want me to know?

For me, it's all about the firewall. And you know, I want someone to take my hand and let's have fun and see things that I'm not supposed to see. Like, take me somewhere I can't go. I pay money for this . Like, take me on a tour.

You see. Does this make sense? That makes sense. Yes. Well, that's right.

But Well, that's right. But anyway, moving on. But, uh, does that make sense? I think this is a complete source of income for you guys. Yes, that could be the case.

Uh, this is a favor. Uh, you could make money, uh, I don't know. You have services like having someone show you the city, uh, all the nice places, uh, that you wouldn't find on your own while traveling. Yes, it could be the same thing, uh, just on the internet. I have never been in the dark.

Good. I don't know where this darkness is, and I've never tried to get there, and I mean, I'm not supposed to watch Syrian shows, I think it's a firewall from firewall from anything related to Syria, most likely , most likely, I don't know, just show me what you know, it's such an open question, like, show me what you want to show me so that I wake up, make me not such a stupid American in this world. So I hope that someone, you know, who has the skill and, uh, and perseverance, will take on the challenge and show people what they're missing in their little bubble or their big bubble, regardless of the size of the bubble. Um, yes, but for us, as the foundation of Mysterium, I think we have a task, which is a very technical task, to make sure that those walls are breached. Um, that's a tough task, and yes, it's a full-time job to solve it.

Yes, because ultimately what we're building, it's not at this stage yet, but ultimately what we're building is an open open network. So open network. So , it's open source. It is open to anyone to use as they see fit. I'll tell you something.

I was doing it on camera, but I had a VPN but I had a VPN service to watch the Olympics live from Canada because I was blocked by the US network. Yes, this is the main use case. We move on to entertainment, unblocking, streaming, entertainment. This is, I wouldn't say, a mainstream option, but it's definitely the first time, and it's the most obvious because we hear it so many times. Yes.

Yes, it seems. Yes. Have you ever thought about, um thought about, um , you know, for lack of a better word, the main pipes of the Internet that connect? You know, what actually makes up the first-tier, zero-tier infrastructure is often owned and operated by companies like Google, Amazon, and many other companies. So maybe we can build, you know, networks based on this decentralized infrastructure.

Eventually, someone might come along and just block the pipe. If they know what the traffic is, right? That's right. So if they, if they don't know, then how can you, if you can't tell, like the guy said before , if you can't tell if someone just pressed the keyboard or if it's a valid file, you know, then you can't stop it. One thing that I'm particularly interested in, and it's not SpaceX per se , but they seem to be the only ones actively pursuing this, is some kind of global satellite network.

I think it will be something like these decentralized technologies built on a mesh built on a mesh network, and which can be used as a medium for data transmission. So, any environment is good. Um, yeah, we've already hit a wall, I think there are two ways to break it, right, look at the strategy, they're very active and they have to take that risk, so that's one of the reasons why this feature is so important, because we're not focused on the deep darknet. We're focused on entertainment, and that gives us a lot more room for mass adoption, instead of having a much more complicated conversation about privacy about privacy , how much we care about it. We need to understand this, and if you look deeper, the basic technology remains the same.

So basically, it can be used for very deep things, but of course, the first and most popular use case use case is entertainment. Yes. Yes. So come and chat with us. Um, we have a booth.

We sell raspberry pies. Join the community or just download it to your Mac or something else. Hmm, it works. Yes. We really want you to buy raspberry pies.

Yes, they are much better. This is our preference, but you will do it. Yes. Thank you. Yes.

Well, you can download Raspberry from our website, so it's ready to go it's ready to go . We also have instructions, so we just pre- loaded them to make it easier for you. Good. Thank you.

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