Aggregation Day Panel: Infinite Scalability with CDKs

[Music] thank you so much Mahalo I'm I'm a merciful leader so pretty much makes sense that I would be perfect in all ways I will now remove everyone from I remove myself all right oh man okay so this next panel and final panel is called infinite scalability with cdks we have a jit from polygon labs chai from okx um Martin from AAR uh Alo from ZK fair and Victor uh from Manta Network so I'm gonna go ahead and throw y'all on there boom boom boom boom and where's the last oh there we go and the last one all right I think we're all set here I'm gonna pass it over to a jit who is GNA be modding and yeah enjoy your time everyone I don't know why I'm acting like this is some kind of like theme park ride where it's like like okay get in enjoy you know buckle up but you know buckle up it's going to be a great conversation a jit take it away thank you Hudson uh hope you can hear me it's uh great to be hosting this panel with Martin henkins head of AAR Foundation Alvaro Fernandez uh Community contributor for ZK Fair Victor G an old friend uh co-founder of manta Network and Chen Kang changai Lee head of okx L2 ecosystem it's great to see you guys here uh so today we're going to talk about you know the your experiences with the chain development kit and overall in the you know ethereum L2 ecosystem what you're building uh how that's going what your vision is and what your experience with the cdk has been and uh you know how uh the Ager kind of uh you know contributes to what you're looking to build so Alvaro will start with you uh you know in no particular order so Alvaro please please introduce yourself uh tell us what you're building and you know how you're using the cdk today yeah so my name is Albert Fernandez I'm one of the core Community contributors at ziki Fair which was the the first cdk to to go live I also happen to be coo at lumos which is one of the solution providers uh providing eventually the solutions towards building CD case of course and decentralized Prov networks um with C has been an amazing experience so far um we're Paving the way the way being the first production environment that was going live uh for polygon's chain development kit and and I must say so far it's been a hell of a journey but in in in general terms with the support of polygon with the architecture in itself with the structure of solution providers stepping in it's it's been a good journey so far for good first two months great to hear Martin um hi my name is uh Mar I'm the head of f Foundation before I will talk a little bit about what we will be building I will first talk about what we already built so Sr is already a layer one connect to the poat ecosystem where we offer smart contract environment for everybody wants to build on polka do um this is an environment that it's like um an evm compatible environment but we also have like a rust based smart contract environment making them interruptable with each other so offering all smart contract Solutions on the PO ecosystem um I believe at the end of this summer we pivoted our IDE as well and we went to the L2 space as well for expanding our tax Tech uh and this is where we uh launched our vision of esta Z evm the main reason why we we launched that uh that Vision was because esta is already recognized as one of the leading blockchains in Japan and after web3 being part of the national strategy of Japan through the government we saw a lot of Demands coming in from Enterprises from brands from companies and so on so we had to make sure that we could um follow up on demand and that where we saw that we really need to expand our tax set and we need to improve the infrastructure we are trying to provide for for for Japan and this is where we came as well close contact with polygon labs and this is where our visions and missions uh United and uh that's why we are now building ourl to with the polyon CK great to hear so chai you have a very large ecosystem already right so okx is the world's second largest uh crypto exchange by volume and you know you have some really great products I'm an avid user of your wallet and your exchange uh it's it's it's phenomenal what you guys have built so what brought you to the cdk and you know what are your plans yes we do uh well uh we are uh like a very strong level of uh ZK technology as well as ethum ecosystem that is why we launched our our own uh eum 2 uh powered by not only polygon CK but I believe insights and support from polygon team and we launched our testet two months ago and so far they are around like uh 300 projects already uh up and running on our testet and very soon we are going to launch our manate and so far we are very uh very happy uh to see all of those achievements that we have we have uh uh achieved and also we are very impressed uh with the technology especially the cdk technology in terms of its uh evm compatibility in terms of its performance and we are also very excited about the new features such as egg layer and like other features such as uh like the new client that uh polygon cdk will be uh introduced very soon uh so we are very very excited and giving okx as one of the largest crypto companies out there in terms of central exchange CI as well as like application Level uh our web three product lines they are also very successful so uh our layer to will connect okx ecosystem uh with uh uh ethum ecosystem uh with the help of polygon cdk yeah it's brilliant so Victor uh you've been building for a very long time uh in the you know you you were building in the for a long time in the pulka do space you guys have a very strong ZK team I know shumo was there he's building nebra now uh and the last time the first time we spoke I think we had a pretty detailed conversation about your ZK work and Poseidon so again you know what brought you given all of your ZK expertise what brought you first of all from you know p. ecosystem to the ethereum ecosystem and then within that I know you guys switch from you know op St and super chain to cdk so what drove that decision but more importantly you know what you're building long term uh and what's your vision overall yeah uh thanks so basically like uh what we are doing is we really focus on like building infrastructure for application Level DK use case so it means like uh lot of application they basically they need ZK to you know like uh build some new use cases like uh hiding information like fully decentralized voting like with like uh to to hide the address or like Z credentials all of this they need to their own circuit besides the infrastructure level like Z up so all of that we build this kind of infrastructure to make developer they don't need to learn this CK like a library they don't need to learn write their own like you know uh circuit to to achieve this kind of features that's kind of what we are good at but on the ecosystem we start to like deploy this kind of use cases in polka dot and we still run over like polka doile chain basically we have the like fastest like Po speed in that like parain but uh you know there's no unchain activity in Pok the whole ecosystem that and then like we kind of like uh uh build more stuff on top besides you know what we promis since like last year and we start to build like the the the op stack L to like with the ZK application like a middleware so we call it ZK application layer and that is the first one use slra SDA and uh we we initially use op stack but uh right now we are the first one like going to uh like actually building more stuff on top of op stack it's kind of a computation com combination of the like uh uh like you know polygon cdk and the op stack and so we we add the type one improver on top of the op stack to to work with the cdk and also work with OP but you know like that's that's how the way work and this is can be a like something really new and uh we recently launched something called new paradigm so basically like uh it's actually like something enable like uh um uh like liquid staking token and in future risk staking token on top of us you know and get more and more usage and Achieve really high Capital efficiency in in the L there to and in terms of the tvl we are the third largest besides op and the arbitrum and we we still sit there and I mean hopefully like uh still still sit there with the stock at like getting more and more hype but we are still the third largest uh L2 yeah so I'm a I'm a user of the new paradigm I have a few eth in there uh you know I'm really waiting for that wonderful uh reward I think that's the compliant word for it so uh it's a very exciting overall I think you guys built a lot of traction in tvl very very quickly with that really exciting you know D uh program really got ahead of blast in some ways which is really exciting and I mean you also have a lot of In-House ZK expertise which I think we'll collaborate on more so so chai what sort of verticals are you targeting because you know okx uh you guys are very very big so I mean I think I personally think you guys are going to be much bigger than base uh right given how much of an ecosystem you have a lot of people our friends in the west are often not aware of the shear reach and ecosystem of okx so any particular verticals you're targeting what's the plan where do you start and and uh you know what sort of applications do you see being deployed on your uh on your cdk chain yeah uh so for short term uh our our Target is always defined we uh wanted to make sure uh there uh like uh a lot of uh Capital as well as users to be honest we are not worried about the users because uh uh we have a huge number of user base that we can easily tap into however in terms of capital I think there definitely some kind of a uh lot of a work that we we needed to do fortunately so far we already see some top like blue Chie protocols they have deployed on our test n andal outcoming such as uh fast uh quick swap curve and uh bunch more like infrastructures uh such as the graph anchor and we also uh engaging uh very closely with with the chaning to make sure like those infrastructures they already available to power like a very strong defined ecosystem I believe we will be able to achieve this goo in half a year or or even hopefully like uh uh even earlier and then we are also very excited to see a lot of uh like very Innovative and also very exciting projects uh such as uh games such as social F and some like uh products they uh rely on ZK technology such as like payment or or or credential identities they are also deploying on our on our chain uh one example is it's called like uh uh mobile Launchpad which is very like I believe s or even polyan like invest into this project uh it's a very uh their product is very very impressive they have like new idea and new features behind it uh so we are very very excited and we really wanted to see a lot of like very innovative ideas products uh building on our chain because uh for one we are quite uh confident that leer 2 will be able to nurture a new a lot of like new ideas or or products technologies that is not impossible on layer 2 given its uh like performance issues and the second thing is that our layer 2 is powered by polygon cdk which which means like it's a ZK technology so I believe there will be a lot of like new ideas and products that is powered by ZK technology which is like almost uh I would say unimaginable on other like uh like layer ones or other non like ZK powered layer twos so yeah we are very excited to see how our our like Layer Two goes and uh we are quite confident that for those top top like developers buers artists uh that we will be able to give them a lot of supports in terms of us users and other like uh investment or other like supports from our side amazing Martin uh it's impossible to talk about Japan and blockchain without a star being the next word in that sentence right so uh so and you guys have had a lot of success with gaming uh and nfts kind of this whole metaverse ecosystem uh so what brought you to cdk and then you know how's uh what's your vision where are you going uh forward in terms of uh and and how is the overall activity on the on the blockchain so far okay um to to answer this question I will uh I will tell a little bit Regarding why we chose to spell the polygon the polygon cdk it's it's mainly because it's very aligned with our mission uh our mission is bringing of course the technology of rep three to billions of users but first to start with the billions you have to start with the millions and this is why we with our L2 focusing on Enterprise and Brands and and and adopting the web three into this we are thinking of of of our mission of focusing on the entertainment sector also focusing on Brands who already have an existing user base we are not targeting specifically the crypto users we are here targeting the already existing users to bring them into this web three space I think this is our mission to really adopt the technology that we all love and by doing this this is fair aligned with what you guys at po are doing as well by creating all those Enterprise Solutions together with your with your tax and we see this as well from the demand coming from Japan that there is a huge interest of looking into this technology and not only because it's supported by the government as National strategy but also Japan is looking for a way to establish themselves as well much further in the economic value of the country and everything is now focusing on the tech nation of the US with Silicon Valley but Japan itself also wants to be that Frontier of technology and they see this in web three that's why they they really put heavly on this and this is where we come in as well as a strength in Japan not only by knowing the culture of Japan but also knowing the technology behind web3 and how we do this so this is very aligned with the vision that we that we felt as well when talking with sandep and as well with you guys in Dubai and this is where we really feel that this is the place to be to to go to go for yeah I I think most people don't realize how Innovative Japan is Right unless you go there I used to live there for two years I go often uh like once every two years and uh the sheer amount of creativity in that ecosystem across Electronics gaming Industrials Enterprise is just phenomenal even Financial Services the kind of you know tools and devices and Technology you get to interface with kind of is is really always you know encouraging and I think it's it's amazing that you guys are now bringing Japan uh and all of the Innovation and that energy in Japan to uh to to blockchain with you know polygon cdk on on aars network I'm really really personally very excited about it so you know we'll hear more a lot about it I think what's also cool is that you know the global coverage of the chains building on cdk even on this panel uh you know I think we cover pretty much all of the geographies all of the application verticals but more importantly I think there's a lot of cool technology that's coming out of that as well uh so Alvaro zikir uh what's exciting what sort of applications what's your focus uh and and you know who is who who are your users absolutely no it's been a hell of a journey since uh uh time zero so to speak which was essentially effectively launch which was end of December and uh well the narrative was was very clear right it was bringing in fairness towards what was the Z landscape there was not yet a ZK rooll up environment with their own native token we were the first one on that regard but we also revolutionized with what essentially Fair launches right and uh I mean I think we made quite a little bit of Noise with what was the the fair distribution of of ziki fair as a as a native ecosystem token and the the fair distribution which was throughout the utilization of the L2 environment uh in the first days of launch essentially a a gas fee mining what what we mentioned or gas fee airr what we what we eventually called it was a was a total success over100 million eventually crossed towards our specific level to environment just specifically for the en for the event we hited peaks of quarter of a billion in tvl currently sitting at about 150 to 200 million in TBL and we've been having quite a quite an interesting advancement or development and this is essentially into into finding that identity from the community in itself because in in zifir we really have been very Community focused very Community First and what we have seen is that the predominance of being able to to really determine and and ferment towards fairness and towards Fair launches is something that became quite sticky within the ecosystem itself so something that you have started to see is is already Fair launches from ecosystem protocols that are determined and are willing to commit towards eventually launching within the ecosystem in itself and uh and also providing what's essentially the fair launch metrics or or structure in itself right and we've had three protocol so far for fair launches two being very native towards zik Fair one third one being also a cdk chain which is a myrling chain in this case that we collaborated with them as well um and and it's been quite some advancements on on that regard in terms of community what we've had so much is is is really M maturation towards uh what's really an ecosystem that is having the vibration in terms of protocols to be used whether it's T5 whether it's different games that you're seeing in in the ecosystem whether it's different protocols that have been deployed over the last two months and and the direction that we're really taking is towards that fairness and really being able to implement that on the on the next level and one of the things that we really were bringing on the table from day one and has been implemented as well so far was the the profitability distribution and this is something that was a message also from from even before uh the launch in itself is it's it's really related towards the profitability of a rollup and this is something that's not really talked about very often but uh different rollup environments where optimistic or or ZK based eventually have profitability in the end when you look at the the the op the the the amount of gas Fe that have been obtained versus the amount or the cost eventually of securing the the rollup environments down to a Bas layer like ethereum uh there's a certain discrepancy and that discrepancy is exactly what we're Distributing back to to users ourselves and the way that we're doing it is throughout zkf ST which is of course our our native token but also giving back to developers and and this is specifically a 25% that we do um essentially replaces what is or what would have been a treasury or um or a foundation that is providing certain incentives to protocols that may be interested in joining this ecosystem because in the end what we have set up is that at protocol level or at at rooll up level what you're having is an incentivization of development of developers that are deploying contracts based on usage what does it means what does this mean that based on usage all those different protocols all those different contracts that are being deployed are being rewarded based on that profitability that is being given back in other words what you're having is a cash row that's going directly back to developers as long as there's certain degree of usage on on their protocols themselves and I believe that personally from from what we've seen so far it's it's a great substitute towards uh the the methodology of Grant programs or different approaches that we have seen so far and it's becoming to or it's turning to to actually become a a very feasible solution for us to be able to on board a Vibram ecosystem that we're having which is currently close to 100 different protocols being deployed being built on top of in it including the different launch PS and everything right so we're expanding on that regard we're you know um going little by little having our bread and butter on a on a daily basis but so far what we're having is is an astonishing result being pretty much on the top 10 on across of all the different production environment rollups including arbitrum including optimism etc etc etc and uh and you know slowly little by little uh taking steps forward also looking at some new innovative solutions as well data availability Solutions reaking there's a lot of things on the on the modularity aspect that's that's very interesting but we're taking things one step at the time so so yeah if I had to resume a little bit of of what's been happening yeah a lot of really big Ideas you know as s says sometimes I think it's impossible to know how many different interesting and Innovative things are being built on polygon's networks uh on on polygon cdk and on you know the polygon uh Technology based blockchains so I'm I'm really amazed by you know how many the whole cool idea of sort of fairness and how many different things can come out of it I know with Alik has been uh you know has has written about fairness I know tarun has done some very interesting work on fairness of auctions so I I I really excited to see where you know you go with all this uh now so let's talk about something that's on a slightly different dimension right liquidity so uh where is the liquidity coming from right I used are most of the assets coming from ethereum layer one and this question is for all of you or you know where else are the assets kind of flowing in and out from I I'll just go ahead so initially we've seen a lot of of of ethereum Base bridging but as we've seen more maturity especially within cdk in itself and also within different rollup environments going out what we're picturing more and what we're seeing more and also this Bridges a little bit more towards my thought process at at lumos is is aggregated liquidity because with different Ro of environments having different purposes different focuses and different applications from running on top what you really want to see is an is an aggregation of that liity you you don't want to be fragmenting and when I mean fragmenting I'm talking about the the latency which is specific towards the fragmentation uh to be able to move assets from one another one from one side to another essentially what you want to do is be able to reduce that situation because if I'm interested in playing a game which is a Japanese ecosystem and then I want to move towards an ecosystem which is related to my my favorite centralized exchange I'm just putting two examples that are here on stage I want that to be at least in a a short time basis right so seeing that aggregation actually translate toward towards a better ux is something that's the the more we built towards specific environments towards application specific environments and in this case it's not really the case of ZK fair but we're seen we've seen that there's plenty of application specific rule of environments that are coming up the more you you're going to have that dependency of agation so seeing advancements towards that direction is is actually going to be crucial for us to be able to coexist in a better manner as well I absolutely Martin yes so for our side our L2 is not launched yet uh but we are working with Partners like Leo Zer to connect to our L1 to bring the liquidity that we already have on our L1 to bring it as well to our L2 at the same time we are currently in the final phases as well working with the polygon Engineers regarding the ACT ler connectivity uh so the main that will be launched with the with the ACT layer and this is where the unified liquidity comes in and then you don't need to worry about where the liquidity comes from it comes from the whole pool where everybody is connected with and this is what we all want to achieve and there also what AAR was saying like we don't want the users to think about where to go from next if they go from chain it's like this aggregation is really needed to get this adoption of the technology and this is why we also would like or we wanted to launch rl2 with this aggregated solutions available otherwise we will also be like isolated in one way and then we will all be digging in the same pool uh instead of digging in in the same pool I mean like on the ethereum side let's do it United and let's share all the liquidity everybody else and I see a huge benefit and all the partners here who will be connected as well to that pool like the zir and and the xx1 that is coming with okx I think this will be a huge U change in in the space when it comes to defy liquidity yeah Victor so I know that there is a few e in in Manta that's coming from my Hardware wallet but not not that many where else is the liquidity coming from and you know what sort of patterns have you seen than thanks to be part of our liquidity uh I mean like uh I think generally like we we really care about Capital efficiency so basically like uh the the like I think the way we we start is we start to build a full ecosystem at the beginning basically there's no missing piece like there's Blue Chip decks there's like Landing protocol per duck and there's not only one there's like kind of computation Market but uh at the beginning there's not many many tvl and we don't have that crazy amount of money raised you know compared to other ler to uh but uh the way we doing is we try to attract like uh uh like D's money first and uh through the like great way of growth and like the the the the the way of you know we do new paradigm we give them nft nft gets the token reward this kind of the way is kind of really fun lot of people calculate about this other people try to engage about this and U but the different for us is we actually have a layer tool compared to blast so after they they deploy the bridge this like token into the layer tool we don't even need to like you know do any like you know customer support or education just go to the like defs so that's kind of how it how it start but besides of that you can see we are the only one like use hyperline Bridge TI into Manta like so we are the only evm support TI token so all of these new tokens they they launch you know in other chain even it's notm we can find the ways to bridge that so that's kind of the capital efficiency we really care about and right now you know there's restak in coming there's like right really good fraction on AI we recently have the AI token like ISP and also we have the reaking you know eerf deploy so there will be more uh it will be really fun to see all of these but besides of that uh I will I'm seeing more and more liquidity coming from centralized exchange and if you go to like binance and binance open the ethereum deposit and withdraw of manta chain besides you know like arbitrum op and like other like ZK sync they they support Mana so that actually bring lot of ethereum from centralized exchange and the DAT is actually the best Bridge yeah no absolutely and and you know so I think I have a couple of tweets out there saying that centralized exchanges are the the first of all they are great Bridges they're ALS so fantastic layer tws uh you know in the sense that there are lots of things you can do really really quickly on top of uh you know okx uh The Exchange that I think we want to do on chain for more transparency you know liquidity Capital efficiency all those things and also because you know that's kind of the future that we're building but I think of okx as as as a fantastic layer to and and and a wonderful Bridge which is truly cross chain very inexpensive and so on so forth uh so so so chai uh what brings you on chain as in you have had so much success of chain uh right now but I think your vision is obviously to kind of you know drive this internet of value forward uh and and you are also a very big liquidity Hub right as a centralized exchange okx is obviously a very large liquidity Hub uh so so so I think you are as much a provider of liquidity as you are you know uh as user of liquidity uh so so but but right now in terms of your L2 architecture how do you see the liquidity flowing across the different ecosystems and how does you know cdk kind of and and the Ager support that yeah uh so we are kind of like fortunate uh that uh we are uh one one of largest crypto companies both in terms of centralized exchange as well as like web 3 product Alliance so uh I mean there are some other chance such as like Mana or blast they have their own unique strategies but for us it's more about like how to uh like how to connect uh those like okx ecosystem with like uh ethum system so from that perspective uh for us uh liquidity comes from like imally comes from like two areas one is our our okx ecosystem another one is like uh uh polygon sorry if ecosystem or from like Broadview uh evm ecosystem uh we believe like it's eventually like a lot of uh like I think it's just already happening a lot more Innovation are happening on chain rather than like centralized exchange most of technologies that Central exchanges are using they they have been around like for I don't know for decades or even centuries and we are very excited that uh that there will be like a lot more Innovations a lot lot of cool ideas products we be happening on chain and that is why we launched our layout too to to onroad like a lot more users uh on chain then so that they can experience something like that is like uh a lot more attractive and Innovative and because all of that for us like centralized exchange they the exchanges they have their unique ways to like So-Cal bridging assets or users to unchain uh and we also like are trying to to our best to bridge like assets from like other layer ones or even layer twos as well that is why we are like uh on boarding some of those uh like Bridges or even cross Chain Solutions and we are even more excited to to to see that uh polygon is working on or or even like going to release like egg layer which like going to aggregate like all of those layer to the Kart layer to or even layer ones I think that would be like revolutionary because even though there are lots of bridge Solutions out there but in terms of the way they do it in terms of user experience they are like either siloed or or like totally different which is like absolutely not good for for for for the industry to unboard like huge number of users so we have super excited to to to see like this uh this new innovative ideas like so valuable and we are going to activate that and I believe with uh our Central exchange behind it our we through uh like product lines behind it X1 will eventually like our Layer Two will eventually like truly become like the bridge kind of like not that can bridge and a bridge like connecting like a lot of users a lot of liquidity with like other ecosystem as well yeah so so I think see I come from trfi uh you been 10 years in blockchain and crypto now but uh so in trfi like if you're you know trading Des at Goldman you kind of really like the money moving around you don't want to lock up liquidity or lock up capital because it costs money to lock up liquidity right so whereas in crypto people love it when they will say you know oh yeah we have 10 billion in tvl just locked all this money and now we have to pay you know pay for it it's actually a cost to lock up all this liquidity in in trfi you know if you're sort of trading or settling across CLS and and all of the other settlement systems then you want as to hold as little liquidity as possible right so Capital efficiency and the the rapid movement of liquidity across different applications is kind of what you pride yourself on not locking up you know liquidity so it's it's kind of different but I think that's where we're going to go as the ecoystem matures and and you know sort of crypto matures as a whole will'll sort of focus a lot more on Capital efficiency than on just locking up Capital uh so so I think that's that's part of why you know we uh uh came up with the agay to allow seamless movement of liquidity across different applications but also to create interoperability across you know this whole interchange Vision actually started in Cosmos uh but then Cosmos doesn't solve for shared security which is kind of what you know uh with even AZ and some of the other Solutions are quite limited whereas ethereum provides the shared security and the shear amount of ZK technology and you know that that we've been able to move forward with the help of others also in the ecosystem in the last two years with planky 3 coming out now right and sp1 RIS zero lots of other quality startups outside of polygon also really contributing very you know we are collaborating with all of them uh to drive this technology and ecosystem forward so so with this AG I think we'll be able to you know create that sort of maturity in crypto where we say look it's not how much money it's logged up but it's you know how many things we can do with it right how users feel uh are able to move this liquidity painlessly across different you know ecosystems and then also create composite applications using asynchronous composability across ZK AAR Manta you know okay kxl2 and all the other cdk chains uh so I think so so as I say right the cosos guys a lot of got a lot of things right but then ethereum you know solved uh brought two great things to uh to this one is shared security the $360 billion worth of ethereum that secures all of the the ZK based validity chains like cdk chains and then also you know the ZK technology that will now allow uh an Ager which will allow liquidity to move back and forth and for people to be able to create these composite applications using async composability of the modularity that you know cdk provides so so I think you know and and you guys are the Pioneers uh you know you've done a phenomenal job of building your ecosystems applications we are very lucky to have you as you know as as as as part of the polygon community and very grateful for that uh so and you know and but you also bring a lot of techn Technology capability right and a lot of the the development skills the engineering chops all of the great things and it's it's quite phenomenal as to how this whole polygon Network state is building up uh you know to see and and how many Global how much Global Talent that's coming on board uh so you know on behalf of the polygon Community I would really uh we coming to uh the close of this panel I would really like to thank you on behalf of the global you know the millions of people in the polygon Community which include me as well uh so any last comments before we close remarks thoughts ideas anything you want to say to the audience Alvaro starting with you just very glad to see how this journey is is really moving forward it it seems incredible to to think that only two months ago was the first launch of of a cdk production environment and that we're already here and uh I can wait to see more excitement for for what's what's coming with not only modularity but aggregation as well yeah chai uh I would like to EO your your point that uh like the capital on chain not simply about lock locked up it's more about like how it can be moved not only different like chains layer twos layer ones but like even like off CHS that is h capital like Capital efficiency so I think it's more important than like just some some kind of data but like H just like kind of like dead there so this is something that we really wanted to achieve like not simply about like it's just like way not simply how many cars there but we would we care more about like how many cars are moving every minute every day and how many goods are moving so this is something that uh we are like we are really excited about or we care a lot about and then I also would like to thank uh polyan and uh uh eth Global for hosting this and very excited to share views uh with the with you guys Martin you and then Victor okay um first of all thank you for hosting thank you for inviting me to be here uh what I would like to say to end things off in the next couple of weeks we will launch our launch campaign this will give you the full Japanese experience we already launched our Manga comic that tells the story about our launch campaign it's about the Yoki Origins where you can really feel uh the passion that we have from Japan with web 3 and we will do this with a campaign with all our partners who are connected with us with the gcha machine so you can turn around get a ball and get a surprise that's in this it's really exciting it's a really cool um experience that you will have this will showcase as well the rep three as well for the web users to enjoy web three with the whole Japanese look at view yeah Martin you know I love anime memes so I'm looking forward to more manga uh and Anime on your Twitter so Victor over to you yeah I mean like I'm looking forward to see like you know the how the transition going and uh yeah we will keep expanding the ecosystem together so much thank you to all our busy you know guests for joining thank you for building everything you're building and it's great to have you as part of our Global polygon Network State and Community thank you so much bye guys thank you so much everyone yes thank you all so much uh thanks for uh leading this all right so next up we have our closing thoughts uh with Mark from polygon Labs but before that happens just a few quick announcements you might have been seeing the QR codes on some of these slides if you're in the audience right now and would like uh an AG day uh nft go ahead and scan that QR code or go back a little bit in the video to a previous slide where we also have that QR code uh also we'd like to thank eth Global for uh their partnership in this uh they have an amazing streaming platform they're using and a complete setup that is made this very very very easy for polygon Labs they've been very collaborative and great so thank you so much um eth Global and then uh lastly come join us uh in Denver go back a little bit in time on Twitter or X uh to our thread where we list everywhere we're going to be talking uh we also have the ad cave as I mentioned we'd love to see many many people there uh so we're gonna go ahead and move on to closing thoughts um and that's going to be with Mark Mark can you see me yes I can awesome I don't know if you all know this but uh Mark is actually challenging all the l2s uh into a wrestling match I believe at eth Denver is that right Mark yeah yeah yeah how did I didn't know you were sharing that but yeah I'll be inviting them all to to a wrestling match so that I can get piled on there you go there you go all right Mark take it away thank you all all right um so first Hudson thank you for doing a really good job of being our uh leader today uh it's been a really good experience uh equally want to thank everyone in the community for joining us um this was somewhat of a long uh morning for me and and maybe afternoon and maybe for some people night um but I think it was really exciting um I think what you could see from our side is a lot of excitement around CK Tech um that is what this entire event ended up being kind of focused around um you know what what you kind of heard I'll kind of like walk through some of like the key things that that kind of came out of today that I think were uh exciting so first is you know we talked about the first component of Ager going live and that being this unified bridge and that unified bridge is one that we're going to start seeing chains connect to got Z polygon zkm connected there and soon we'll see uh cdk chains connecting over there and that's going to be exciting because we also released um this uh bridge and call function that that allows for um you know easy one kind of user transaction um being executed across multiple chains um and bridging over to those those l2s um but I think we also explored a lot more than that with some really amazing participants that I also want to thank for having taken time to be here here from other ecosystems um and from the EOS the ethereum kind of ecosystem as a whole um but I think some of the things that we heard was first like the acceleration of kind of ZK Tech in general ZK systems ZK VMS um it continues to outpace like everybody's expectations including ours at at polygon Labs um but it was also really cool we got to talk about some of those collaborations going on what we see is like everyone building on each other's technology and that's the power of Open Source technology um again at polygon Labs we pay put everything out uh on open source licenses we value it tremendously uh it ends up moving kind of our work forward when we rely on other people's work and and same way the the other way around and we are going to continue doing that um and it's uh it really ends up moving the entire space for um I think one of the most exciting panels that I've heard in a really long time was the panel on uh synchronous composability um and I think there was every single person on that panel had uh really interesting thoughts and I I would actually say that almost everyone in this space should probably listen to that that panel um there was a lot of information to learn from like basic concepts um broken down really easily to more complex Concepts and and really kind of exploring the challenges and opportunities that exist there uh and so you know anyone who who knows people who are not listening I I would encourage them to to listen to that um I think the ZK endgame panel um was really cool for exploring um ZK very comprehensively we often think of or most people think of ZK in a very narrow way either for scalability for privacy and really don't think about everything that it offers and so exploring all those problems that it solves was was really cool um maybe the coolest part was the difficulty that everyone had with actually poking holes in yzk is the endgame uh it took some pretty uh major assumptions to try to poke holes in that um and and that's because I think fundamentally ZK does solve so many of those those issues um and then the thing that that I will forever say is always near to Dear my heart is cdk chains that are launching exploring launching or those who are already in our ecosystem who we talking so from ZK fair to Manta to AAR to okx they're all ramping up either live and and just building very quickly um or are going to go live very shortly um they all have different approaches that you could can of see and these end up being very complimentary in a world where you have the inter operability from the a layer that ultimately is going to let uh ecosystems leverage uh other ecosystems so I I often say these are communities that are coming together offline when it comes to working on the same code base and improving it but also an ecosystem that is coming together online through the connection to the a layer and really sharing um kind of users and liquidity uh ultimately um so I really appreciate those teams for for being on and all the other teams that are building cdk chain um I I just love seeing that Community continue to grow um so uh last thing I will kind of finish out with is just uh thanks again for joining us hopefully we'll see you at eth Denver um and um lastly uh eth Global this was fantastic as always um so appreciate you co-hosting this aggregation day with us and uh we are definitely looking to uh future aggregation days as well so thank you all for listening again and we'll be talking [Music] soon