Spreading Joy: Onboarding & Supporting More Web3 Builders | ETHWarsaw [4]

All right. So now for the panel of this evening, uh we have uh a group of uh wonderful panelists from the Devrell community and Devrell area of web 3 and not only web 3 probably and we have uh Dapadan to lead the panel about uh Devril stuff. Thank you. Nice. Yeah, we're definitely going to cover some Devril stuff.

I don't think every anyone on this panel has the official title of Devril. I don't know you do. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

So, we have one. That's good. But the world of Devril expands so much and we're going to really focus on the onboarding of new developers, builders, people within the industry. And we've titled this called spreading joy. I gave it that title.

So, I'll take credit on that or not credit. Uh what we want to do today is normally in panels I I try to make a bit of controversy between some of the panelists. So we get some disagreement, but I think these people are far too nice to have any of that happen just from my brief interactions with them. So I'm not sure if we're going to get any of that, but we will get some hopefully some new and different perspectives on uh onboarding and growing this uh community. So I will start since this is called spreading joy as an intro.

Uh if you can introduce yourself and then also what is bringing joy in your life right now.

Uh so welcome everybody. Thank you for having me. Uh my name is Matthews. I'm from Queen Paprika. Uh my role as I said is not exactly Devil.

I'm lead developer advocate which basically translates into

You're the chosen one.

Yeah. Yeah. it just uh all the wording. Uh so my story is uh I work in crypto for like over eight years right now uh professionally. Uh I was working with coin paprika at the beginning then I had a break and right now I'm also helping them.

Uh what we do at coin paprika we basically sell data uh cuz at the end of the day you got to know what's the price of the asset. Yeah. uh whether you're making transaction, you're selling or buying, you have to know what's the price. If the price is not right, then you just basically lost your money. And that's what we do.

We gather data from over like 500 exchanges. Uh then we just uh adjust it by the volumes, by the like anomalies, uh exclude them and then provide like a clean data feed. Uh that's what we do. We also have a second um product which is Dex Paprika. This is more like let's say for onchain stuff.

Uh just for a slight comparison on coin paprika we have like over 100k a assets uh which are like moderated and like top-notch. Uh and on dex paprika this is much larger database because we already have like 7 million assets there. Uh but these are like onchain stuff. basically one liquidity pool means uh the asset is in our database. Uh so that's me and personally uh what brings joy in my life?

I'd say do I have to speak like um I'd say um professionally or

I mean I'm not your manager so you can speak you like. I I love uh cooking for people, but professionally I love uh making other people lives easier. And that's in my opinion what the whole Devrell talk is. Uh

but what's your real answer here then? What's the real answer then? Cuz that's like the proper answer.

Yeah. Yeah.

You love your job.

No, no. I mean that's like what I like to do is uh just basically make people lives easier. my friends and whether it's like developers at the company or it's my friends and that's why I think I kind of fit to this role uh because I always like to just simplify other people lives and that's what the dev is about.

Nice. Like I said, really nice people in this panel. Really nice people. I'm curious just to see um has anyone been in this like crypto or web 3 industry or would you like to call it less than one year in the audience? Anyone actually knew?

Wow. no one or you just afraid to raise your hand.

We need new people.

Come on.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a bunch of old people. But that's good.

Then you're going to learn how we can spread the joy, I guess. So, that's good just to know because you said a lot of terms there. I wasn't sure if everyone picked up on that. Uh next.

Thanks. Um so, yeah. Uh so, uh I've been in crypto since six years right now. Um I started with my blockchain student club like in France, uh Tinker. Um and then uh going to aatons and everything.

So as as everyone I guess uh like as a builder and during my time um at doing sakaton I mean uh I met a lot of women uh not a lot but a few. I prefer to say that

the exact opposite of a lot.

Yeah. Um and in fact uh I got the opportunity at the moment to create a branch of Erdow in France um because I was speaking French and uh the community was not here. So if you know Erdo uh it's one of the biggest woman communities actually and so I after doing a lot of things u in France uh for the community I got the opportunity to become era globally so I was leading literally uh 3,000 woman uh all over the the world um so I was traveling a lot u like educated people u from everywhere and so uh The thing is um I I I was with some woman uh on the business side but on the technical side but on myself I'm more on the technical side and so I created recently uh deaf to pack which is related to educate woman but also student developer coming from web two because we need a new wave. Um so um basically it's all about education um like for people who really need it and so if I can bring my joy like what is my joy on the um daily basis is really to help people who need it uh the most um when I when I think about that is like people who don't have even access to education uh like because of like of money and everything. So, I'm really here every day to help them.

So, it's what's it's my

good answer. I think I've heard, but that's great. Like I said, great people here. Next,

can I fill those shoes now? I'm worried. My name is Zuza Heno and I'm a web 3 head hunter. So, I represent top executives in web 3. uh people who are making companies succeed in the market particularly commercially.

So I feel like I'm kind of a wild card on this panel considering

Amy don't like helping people.

I do love helping people actually. It feels very fulfilling. That's I think that's the most fulfilling part of my job understanding that I put a brick towards the success of certain firm just because I found the person who was incremental to that success. So that's um that's joyful but that's not my joy in my life. I'll I'll get to it.

Um and um yeah so that's my dayto-day. I might not be working um very often with devs specifically, but I definitely have a very very strong view of what we need to bring new builders and more builders into the space. Um and in terms of joy, I believe what brings me joy is that very recently I had an epiphany of what mindfulness is for me. And strangely, it's not the meditation. It's not being um mindful of um or or doing mindful activities like jigsaw.

I do love jigsaws, but that's not what brings me that much joy. Um it's um being mindful of all the decisions that you make and understanding why you're making them very very consciously. And that's it.

Nice. Hello everyone, my name is Oleg or you can call me by my nickname Kinsky. I work at Tao. We're building alto on Ethereum. So we are positioning ourself as most Ethereum aligned rollup.

Why? Because uh first of all uh we are based which means uh L1 validators are running u you know not uh and they are basically securing our network. uh regarding my position in the projects, I'm operations analyst. So basically I'm working a lot with uh builders with the developers uh because I'm managing our you know ecosystem funds grants and I would be like very happy to talk about it how we are you know pushing the developers forward how we are helping them how we are uh educating people and how we are you know uh advising them. Um yeah regarding uh the your questions about the joy I think uh basically it's making other people happier and help them to succeed some of the you know their milestones achievements especially you know when I'm working we have a lot of young people who try to build some dabs who try to raise some funds but they are uh new they are beginner they do not know how to approach I don't know some VCs or some other partners ers and I'm like I'm I become happy when they achieve those things when I help them to do that.

So yeah, this is the answer to the question.

Nice. Okay. So if you're looking to feel happy, we have three people here who love to bring that to other people. That's nice. That's great.

Uh we're going to talk about onboarding a lot. Well, oh yeah, but her answer was more about mindfulness. So that's also very great, too. I know you like it, but uh so uh it's we're going to really focus on onboarding and I want to hear how you actually were onboarded to uh crypto web 3 this industry. Um any any horror stories, any joyful stories, just that whole journey um you know why you why are you here now on stage?

So you've obviously made it all the way this far. Uh and even moments of doubt, maybe you wanted to lead this industry. Anything like that would be really great for everyone to hear. So how about you start?

Okay. My personal uh on boarded story I mean I started uh it was like early 2017. So uh I remember I applied for a job uh it was at the beginning it was something different like I was a junior marketing specialist. Uh but then the new project like a side project started. It was like a small uh local uh crypto exchange and that was I remember my first approach.

I mean, I remember my friends like shilling and telling me to buy Bitcoin at like $200 or something like this.

Of course, you did, right? You didn't.

Of course, I didn't. It was like too too expensive back then. Uh so, so so so yeah, I learned the hard way. I also lost a lot of money. I earned a lot of money and like like everybody here, I suppose.

Uh but it was kind of rewarding rewarding like I really liked this space uh since the beginning for uh the fast pace of all the things that's happening there like uh you just basically go into the basic you go into crypto twitter even and one day there's this topic something is hot and the other day some this is already garbage and new stuff is hot. So uh the the rotation of the like I'd say the topics and basically what's hot what's not uh the new technologies the new tech stacks uh are popping up. So this is really exciting for me and I think that's what like really hooked me up uh since the beginning. It was the the the the feeling that a lot of things a lot of exciting things are happening there. At the beginning I was not uh the biggest uh crypto enthusiast.

I was not trusting the whole uh because I was I didn't understand it fully. Uh I that's that's why I was a skeptic. Uh but it all changed and I really like it here.

Yeah.

Nice. Well, we're glad you're here.

Well, so as I mentioned, I started six years ago. Um especially because on my school like managering and also engineering school. Uh I got the opportunity to integrate um a blockchain club called Cryptosell which is actually the biggest European blockchain club by the way. And so I started to take initiative there because like on my side um I started even uh myself grow my network um just by doing things because I got no things like I mean I'm coming from basic background um like which is with no network and everything. So I moved to Paris to take my like to make my studies.

Um and so at this moment uh everything was about really uh how to um create my my first network because it's really really important like it's great to go at school but the thing is when when you need to create a network and everything to make it uh really into not only in the web three but in general you need to have like cert um community and so I joined a community by curiosities which is related to blockchain Um and so basically uh I took some initiative there uh starting doing agaton but in France because I was not able to speak in like in English. Um and so after a couple of uh Agatan uh where I was by surprise finalist I don't know um I got the opportunity uh to got the scholarship um for moving abroad for the first time so three years ago. Um and so basically I went to Miami. Uh I was finalized to there. I did not know why.

And uh after that I say okay I'm in United States. It's like great. It's my first trip abroad. So I will just uh move uh into another account. We we uh in San Francisco.

I was finalist too. Don't know why. Um and so uh I come back in France and so I made some friends at this moment uh during a garden especially woman. Um and as I mentioned uh I decided to create Erdo in France. Um and so since this day like I'm really helping them helping people uh who like me before didn't have the opportunity just to educate themsel uh about crypto but especially on the developer side.

So basically the fact that taking part of online boot camp was kinder um super powerful for me uh because it's it's free. It's literally free. You don't need to move to to be uh like to to skill yourself like about couple of topics. So yeah uh it's who I made it. And so since this day since three years ago right now I think I traveled like more than 20 countries.

Um and also uh being finalized a lot of time to Aaton uh I created even like a D5 protocol we where at the end we we raised like 1 million uh to make uh defy bit better like more decentralized um and so actually I'm not working anymore in this project since a couple of years right now uh like two years uh but still the team um is is is working on it. So yeah, I'm happy that at least I created also a startup in DeFi. But right now uh I really want to empower um people who really need it uh to to make it in web three. So uh this is all my story.

I I think you're really good at hackathons in case you're still confused on why you final so many times. But are you competing in this hackathon coming up now?

No, I I'm used like to be monitoring for is global and everything. Um but uh unfortunately I I have to leave tomorrow. So I will be available if you want uh tonight. If you need anything for sure I will be happy to help.

I I knew that but I just wanted to make sure that everyone knows they still have a chance on finaling because she won't be competing. So that's good.

Are you retiring? Um so what was the question? your onboarding journey and any ups and downs you'd like to tell us and if you're good at hackathons or not.

Uh I'm I'm not I'm I'm I'm I'm traveling literally just after this panel. Um but uh in terms of the onboarding journey for myself uh very similarly to Mate I found about out about um Bitcoin quite early on. Um I used to run

Did you buy the Bitcoin?

Heck no.

So everyone who bought the Bitcoin is probably not here now. Uh but and I it was a for a very long time I was hugely regretting it until I met a guy who said um yeah I bought it then and in it appreciated 100% so I sold it and you know what I probably would have done the same. So uh at least now whatever I'm doing with crypto is actually thought through so no regrets there. Um but in terms of onboarding professionally uh so um the way I found out about it was because I used to run an incubator for startups and one of the startups was like do you pay for electricity here? I was like no can we have a bitcoin machine mining machine here yeah of course you can.

Uh so that was my first exposure uh to Bitcoin and also to mining. So uh the full uh the full package um but I believe that it was NFTTS that turned my head and I thought okay it's getting to the point um metaverse NFDs I don't want to be in a position where my children in the future will have to explain to me what's going on. Um so very much uh it was my personal ambition to have be stimulated mentally and be involved uh professionally in this space. Um and at that time I already had a recruitment agency started organizing some events similarly to yourself. I felt very lost so I thought I'll give to the community and um we'll make it easier for others to join and um to spread the word.

So uh with my friend we set up um a series of events called Metamixer and we covered some topics very very very uh easy topics um and tried to make it as easy to understand to normies as possible. Um and naturally people started asking me look you're a recruiter so could you help us with this or could you help us with that? And eventually that's how I got to this professionally, a horror story. Uh I probably have just uh not one but I remember those times where I would go to a conference um just trying to figure figure out what's going on and people making a joke laughing or differently saying something super sarcastically uh at have no idea what was going on and thinking I think I just need to own it and admit I've got no idea why you guys laughing. Um but yes there was a lot of um culture uh or that's how I felt that um uh there there is that um that bridge or that gap that is difficult to uh cross because people are like I know it I assume everybody else knows if not they're just not my part my type of people and I feel that that's changing though uh and I think there is a lot of more openness to um share the knowledge and not just be like I say sarcastic and be in their own circle.

I don't know if you feel the same way.

I know I'm pretty sarcastic person so I'm going to have to disagree but yeah I think it's changing for sure.

Yeah about my story of starting like crypto I think uh you know I had a desire to invest from the childhood like

the childhood.

Yeah.

Okay. How are we talking?

I mean I I'm 23 only right now. Uh so at you know like at 13 years old uh I started drop shipping sneakers dur and after that I was doing with my brother who is like sitting here. We were we were we were doing some marketing on telegram. We were selling like the ads in different Telegram groups and we accumulated some money which we wanted to invest somewhere and we started to exploring like where we can invest. Uh this we were like very young.

I mean I was like probably 15 16 years old and we explored Bitcoin and Ethereum and it was our first touch of the crypto and the problem here was that we first invested and only after that we started exploring crypto and it was like a big fail because we basically bought a top of the market and then we're sitting like in the loss for the four years but those four years I was exploring I was I started discovering what cry crypto is what Ethereum is and basically um it ignited me the idea that I can like transfer my money everywhere. I can do it like even on the weekends I can bring them everywhere uh with me. Uh and then I was you know like just u basically just exploring things different projects different you know thing that I can do in crypto and in uh three years ago u I was just you know scrolling my Twitter thread and I saw Vitalik Varian mentioned about Tao so I've joined their community I started just as simple like moderator I was 20 years old I was like very young and you know like a lot of people are a bit skeptical about young people especially like you know 18 19 20 years old they they think that those people are you know not professional enough or they do not know a lot of things uh I don't agree with that and so I started as a moderator then I was promoted to part-time job and then as a full-time member I started doing different operations uh you know on boarding people to our uh project uh you know uh dealing a lot of with different ecosystem projects managing the uh you know different contracts agreements with uh our ecosystem partners. So basically yeah this is how I started my journey in crypto and where I am right now.

Nice. Can I get a confirmation from the brother that he was a childhood crypto investor? Okay. Nice. Very cool.

Cool. Uh so one of the things that we kind of touched on in and you know you're all saw this problem of onboarding in your unique and beautiful ways. I I want to see first if you think there is an onboarding problem and if so why like what is the the creation of that problem?

Yeah. Uh when it comes to on boarding it's much easier than it was when I started to that's what we have to begin with. Uh but still uh this is not uh the easiest part. I'm going to speak only on a part of let's say the de uh the developers on boarding experience. Uh well when you want to code on a new blockchain you got to have like tools uh you got to have something to do in there and if it's not prepared for you you have to start from the scratch and it's not easy.

You have to the developer who wants to start it uh have to be pretty determined to to do this. uh it's getting easier and easier every day. I mean there is a plentiful of tooling right now in Ethereum space uh and other blockchains also. Uh so that's good. Uh from our side like uh the the most important thing that everybody here who's customer is the developer uh they have to focus that the developers uh attention span is pretty low and if you if your project if your documentation uh or basically the on boarding process to your product sucks then they will probably go to the much simpler better solution and you just have one moment to to catch the attention.

Um, basically your task should be to um it's called uh the the the the time to first request or uh that's how I call it. Uh to to to minimize it as much as you can on our website. You can basically do the first request if you're a developer uh under like 30 seconds and test if the API is working, if the response is uh all right for you. Uh so that's what everybody should uh be focusing on the on boarding process. Make other people lives easier because if your on boarding process is just basically making everything harder and more complicated because you want to push the knowledge and push like all the rules etc uh to the other people's faces.

uh they will not like it and they will probably uh not join your customer base. So just make other people lives easier. Uh it's getting better, but there is still uh much room to improve. I was going to say I lost track about what you said, but I don't want to be part of the meme of attention span, but yeah, I think that's great. Empathy towards your audience is like number one for sure.

Hello. So um yeah I I'm pretty critical about on boarding actually um just to let you know first um so I really think that everyone wants but no one want to educate them but even before educate them like you have to source them because they will not hear about your protocol or whatever uh before sometimes so that's why like I will like people who are investing into students. Um why? because like they are still young. Um they are like they want to be curious about what's going on and everything.

And so is Kinder like the best things uh to to to do and like basically actually I'm talking with a lot of projects and everything like related to different eos ecosystem on Etherum and so they have one mention and we want founders but we don't want to educate them. So if you don't have any education you you can't like properly create a top finale um top finale program to involve them uh until having like a proper uh product proper project that you can like people can invest in on. So I really think that a lot of things are to be redo on the educational side. And one thing too um with networking actually is like sometimes um um online education I would say no one gets the proper support because it's like okay you are going to alim or whatever but it's like online platform where you just have to follow a curriculum but without any support expect Discord. Um so it's important like to have the human touch and it's something really really missings uh into the ecosystem actually.

So it's also why I I built something that I will probably talk about uh after. But yeah, just go go into basic like if you want to on board developers don't be uh on only on X doing some communication on X but really go into LinkedIn. They are all on LinkedIn literally. So when whenever you are launching any kind of uh campaign don't do it only on X like go into LinkedIn to really proper uh properly onboard new developers and not just being still into the same echo chamber um yeah because otherwise you are just um make like in involving money uh into people who are already into some ecosystem so it's literally a waste of money anyway. Uh I think we were going going to talk later after about everything.

Nice. I'm I'm personally afraid of LinkedIn, but you've inspired me to go there for sure.

Um yeah, and I think you touched a very important point about that human touch. Uh there are um I think there is still quite a lot of scaremongering um around there and obviously true cases of people being scammed and uh being taken advantage of. So that human touch weirdly in this digital first world is very very important. uh but myself I would like to step away from ecosystems hackathons and founders and share with you a story of um my recruitment process for for a CTO for a startup that was um uh in uh real world assets and they were trying to get on board a CTO he's already had the experience in creating an NFT project so it was a perfect match and would you believe that um He was so burnt by his previous team because he's delivered the tech um almost like a CTO but like a a a founding engineer as you would say and um he was very close to getting out of the space. So one thing is onboarding new people but what do we do not to lose the people who already have skills and can create real value they've learned from certain mistakes and in this case I kid you not the guy has done a proper due diligence into the commercial team on the other side uh and that was the only reason why he stayed.

The founder that I was working with was um a very successful entrepreneur in his previous job. He sold his company um almost um doubled the average age in our industry. Um, but I believe personally that we need more gravitas and we need better people on the commercial side to be able to bring developers in as well and keep them in because if the projects are not successful so and they have to be successful through a proper commercialization team then they will lose um their interest at some point. And if you are if you do have a project uh I would suggest that you treat developers or first people in through the business the same way as you treat your investors like pitch them make them understand that you will succeed. Um and I think that will on board them further as well.

So I know it's a completely different perspective. You probably didn't expect

we're here all for different perspective and I am a big fan of talking about keeping people. Unfortunately, whoever named this panel didn't put the word like keeping or retaining in them. So, that's their fault. But, uh, we can definitely talk about that too.

Uh, yeah, I agree with most of the panelists about the, you know, education problem that we currently have and I think especially meeting here um during the event a lot of young people who are you know eager to come into web 3 but they are but they don't know how to come here. So they there is like an on boring uh problem here and I think uh we need basically more of educational platforms uh which can teach people uh you know different web3 things and I really like the Google Academy which was created like I think by CZ and Binance uh which is like very cool and I think it um you know uh make the process of on boarding easier. Um also I think uh the problem in space is also that a lot of projects wants already uh you know senior developers they don't want to grow the developer from junior to you know to middle to senior they just want people who are already professionals and I think we should um take experience from web to companies I know like Snapchat other company they are taking students from the universities and they are basically growing them from non-experienced u developers to like professionals also I think u we should uh have like more internships fellowships programs in the space it's really cool and I have seen like maybe for some people it would be like useful there are some programs from paradigm from uh I saw some programs from Ethereum foundation like that were taking place this summer Maybe they will uh will be next summer as well. Uh so I think like it's a big problem. I mean you know I'm like representing Ta and I feel we have that problem as well.

I feel any project had this problem because everyone wants like experienced people. So yeah I think we should um we should support young people support support young generation especially uh and also yeah give them those uh opportunities. So I think it will be you know change in the near future especially with those like platforms alchemy as you mentioned Google Academy and others.

Nice. Yeah. And I think the senior developer gap or request is like a bad one but if anyone is hiring I have 15 years of experience working on Ethereum. So you know I'm really good at that. Um that's a developer joke but you know that's a the what you were saying right the sorry but uh going to a little bit more about um like success uh and also like how I want to say like how do you sleep at night when you when you say oh I did a good job and you talked about something about like uh time to deployment or I forgot the exact way you said it but like uh how do you feel that you are actually doing good work in onboarding whether that's a certain metric a feeling things like that so other people who might be doing similar efforts can kind of adapt that too.

Mhm. So, uh how do I measure this uh success? Uh you ask. Uh I'd say you know

I'm your manager. So

yeah. Uh so we just simply track uh people basically when they enter our documentation site and uh we just basically track what they are doing whether they are getting stuck somewhere etc etc. uh but there is one I'm just going to uh speak about something a little bit different because uh you have to remember that right now we are not building only for people for like developers uh this is like insidefo from the my friend Francesco from MetaMask he's the head of dev there and he told me that uh basically 30 to 40% of all the traffic in their documentation are the LLMs uh so this This is really important thing that you all also have to keep in mind and track the success of the LLM and AI agents that are visiting your website and will probably use uh your product from the development point of view. Uh so yeah, apart from that other metrics uh the time to success is the the the best uh thing to measure. uh we just measure it like uh from the point of from the first moment that the developer enters the documentation and if he uses our like a built-in tool to send the requests uh that's that's my job to minimize it as much as I can.

Yeah.

Nice.

All right. Um so on my side like how there is a lot of issues regarding boarding I try like to to really uh redoing things properly uh especially for women and students. So, as I mentioned, we need a new wave uh of builders into the ecosystems um because otherwise it's still always the same. And so, I clearly build um like a fellowship. You mentioned a fellowship.

So I I build a fellowship uh which is really to uh first discovering things um like discovering uh web three developments um but like just in a in a in a couple of um days like in a week um and then after that people who make it who like who pass coding challenges can enter into the community and so at this moment it's where I can measure uh the success behind that behind my first initiative to really um being new people literally. So actually like in term of matrix with my community we uh we got more than 850 registration to enter into the fellowships and like 3,000 300 sorry make it. Uh so it's a great team because everyone is new and so all protocols want to kind work with with de pack but um as it's not especially sometimes align with my vision I say no I prefer to say no just to make sure there are proper onboarding into one ecosystem and not 100 and so it's also at this moment to when you provide a top finale things a top finale um yeah a top finale initiative to be properly on boarding into Etherum. Um at this moment you can feel that um everyone is really involved and really want to build things uh using the the same like on interum. So it's pretty cool um to to finally see the the first result behind the initiative that I just launched um like in February uh to be honest.

And then we already have around uh 70 countries who apply for the program and most of them are coming from Lat Africa um and also APAC more ACA region because it's where um people don't really access to the education. Um so it's the pain point and I really wanted to to to reply to that uh with an initiative which is custom because uh I really select people uh so if I when when is they register they apply for the program and I see that it's it's going to be complicated I say directly know to make sure everyone is on the same stage and I don't have to make some different kind of support like make sure you have the same audience to run a program is super useful.

Nice. And it kind of shows to your point about need for fellowships and things and programs like that. That's really great to see.

Yeah. And I would like to tap into this. Um I believe that's always a great um learning curve. Um and there are companies that are doing it, but there is one very important thing that's that needs to happen for companies to have the bandwidth to do it. They need the revenue.

They need to have the commercial success. Um and the more bigger players are out there, the bigger um teaching or learning ground there will be. Um and um for that reason I think my bigger contribution is that I can select the right type of commercial people who can create that impact can create value and market success because without that you don't have enough resources to be able to teach people when you're small and you honestly don't know what to choose today, tomorrow, a where do you concentrate your efforts and at the same time you can see uh people outperforming you can't really afford to get people who you'll be training you don't you don't even have time for it you don't have forget the money you don't have time for it so um although that's important I feel that this is reserved for huge players who have the time because they've already established their footing in the market.

Yeah, definitely agree. But I think we have like a lot of big players nowadays. I mean, you know, big companies in crypto. Some of them are even bigger than web two companies, right? And yeah, they can basically maybe contribute more to this because you know even even small companies are doing like great fellowships, internships and all of that stuff which is like very useful uh because you know uh I like I have met a lot of young people and they do not know what from what they should start how what what they should do like how they should you know who should they approach Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There is like no path here you know like straight path like in the web two world where you like finish university and go to the work. Uh so yeah regarding the question about like uh how we measure uh how we measure success. I think uh working at protocol we are building like a blockchain.

So for us uh measuring a success is pretty like straightforward thing. We are just uh checking like the you know number of transactions, users, revenue uh all of that stuff. Talking about me personally, I think like uh measuring your success is a bit you know tricky things because you you're like always uh thinking that you could do something better and you're always not enough uh you know impressed by the results you have achieved. So I think uh uh you know I think all of us should be like grateful for the things we already have and uh you know be happy with like what we have no matter whether we can achieve like something better or not.

Oh this is a very feel-good panel. That's very great great uh great sentiment for sure. Uh well I have one more question for you all and then I'll turn it to the audience if you have any questions. So I'm going to give you time to think. come like, "Oh, yeah.

Any questions?" And no one has anything. You have a whole at least five minutes to think. So, uh my question is around the future um of this this community if you will. Uh what do you think uh you know in the future let's say two to five years from now uh onboarding looks like?

Is it uh you know just from the user experience from the community you know conferences are is this room going to be filled with thousands of people next time? But just generally what do you think we're sort of aiming for in the communitywise? As I already mentioned before, like uh the amount of uh LLMs and AI agents like interfering into our communities, let's say, is just going to increase. Uh and that's a fact in my opinion. That's a fact, not an opinion.

Okay. Okay.

Is it a fact?

Yeah, that's a fact. And this number is just going to grow. And you have to prepare your product and you have to prepare like your community to welcome the agents to welcome uh developers who will vibe code uh and basically everyone like I'm not sure like that's my maybe that's a hopeful thing but I do really hope uh people will come out more into personal uh meetings and just to meet other developers in real life uh as we are going to get more and more entangled into the web 3 and just basically digital space. Uh we are going to lack some like physical uh emotions and talks etc. So I do hope that the on boarding will be more physical.

I hope uh but uh on the other side I also do believe that uh the the onboarding for your AI agents will get more and more important uh every day.

Yes. Treat your agents right people. That's good takeaway.

I'm thinking about two things. So the first thing is really invest online uh with online education like um to to create a community an online community uh for people who need it but also like having local initiative uh like this one um because it's also important to catch up IRL and find people like you uh who need support to really um make it finally because for example uh I would say with my project like uh we just created defac plat why because like if you are teaching in English it doesn't work so literally I have to create the program but in Spanish so make sure your content is also available um with local local language yeah to make sure you can on board people it's really really really important um so I would a mixed between global global opportunities but also local initiative to make sure you can on board properly while having um this kind of opportunities that can open your doors um at the end. Uh so yeah being way surrounded.

Nice.

I think I I'll steal from you again cuz like you said like there is no clear path. If somebody wants to join they definitely need to have bags of motivation to do self-arning, choosing their own libraries, um choosing their own resources. And I think uh my dream is that there is a clear path and clear stages almost like university like with an accredited institution. I believe that maybe uh academia is just a little bit too slow to manage to keep up with a very fresh curriculum. Um but I would suggest that it's something like that.

So if somebody decides I want to learn more about this, this organization is the go-to thing. It will be great also for sourcing talent because you know that graduates from those programs will be the ones that have a specific sets of skills. So it would make a lot of things way more uniform. Um but yes the ambiguity of even where to start would be taken away and I think just understanding okay if I get this step so this diploma or whatever that's my that's my starting point. I know it's not a revelation but we're missing it.

So

yeah great words I totally agree with them and I think you know we mentioned a lot of problem that there are in on boring process and I'm like I'm sure that we are not only smart people who know about those problems there are you know thousands of people who know about them as well and who will try to solve them so I think in the future the you know on boarding will be smoother and much easier for people especially with uh you know all of these ideas and you know that we had during this discussion and I also think that um web 3 space in general will succeed because it's you know not an accident that it is called like web 3 it's like uh move from web two to web 3 so it's like a next step uh in the industry in the whole web so yeah my opinion is that the future is right

nice Okay. So, did anyone think of a question in that 5 minutes?

Do we have questions? Questions? Come on.

I feel like someone has one.

Yeah.

I mean, we only have 30 seconds left, so it's going to be really good. Oh, yes. Yes.

Where

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Yeah. I'm thinking because you're saying we need regulation and like clearer steps for people to join, but I think that the lack of it actually makes interesting people committed people those people who you know think outside of the box wanting to join this space. And my question is how can we create this regulation or the these steps in know there so they are open enough that people don't have to fit in you know what I mean

that's a good question that was really good

they're thinking they're processing

I mean uh let me just uh take my point on this uh what you are saying like not having any regulations and having like the open-minded people like thinking outside of the box. Yeah, that's great. But like we have to in my opinion that's the pioneers like and we are in my opinion past of this. uh right now we do need to care for people uh and the regulations are basically to secure and protect people who are um let's say I'm not I don't want to say less intelligent but like just basically not so maybe techsavy or basically not so uh interested so much and they also have to have like equal chances uh with those guys that were before them and uh yeah I mean it's not easy and and it's an ongoing process but uh I do believe the regulations are needed and uh these will be introduced uh I'm not sure in which way but uh that's just my point of view.

Yeah, I think the strict framework of how to get to um at least the basics um will speed things up. Uh I think the industry throws curveable after curve ballable at you. So just by sticking in for over two years means that um you are resilient. So just let's let's get more people on board and then if they can cut it here then that also separates the faint-hearted from the ones that can make it. Also something that we have to keep in mind is like some people want to join the space just to take a job like this in after three months and so this people finally will just kid the left of the ecosystem after three months.

So you have to also filter um through a frame a framework um like this people to make sure you are on boarding the right one into the ecosystem because as you mentioned we need constancy um it's super important just to make it so yeah

nice we got more time on the board I don't know if that means we have more time or I don't want to get in the way of a hackathon but if anyone

I think we could get one more question if we someone's got any?

Come on.

Disagreement. You can say something that

Yeah, you can say you don't like that or you don't like it.

Well,

okay. Let's not force it on you. So, thank you very much.

Thank you all. Thank you.